tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2427849323464039196.post5613775292078246511..comments2024-02-27T03:06:57.992-05:00Comments on *This Blog has moved to www.ScienceSexAndTheLadies.com: Yeah, You Heard Me, Vaginal Stimulation Hasn't Been Shown To Cause Orgasm: A DefenseCharleshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02337249592179616090noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2427849323464039196.post-36046817638229077512020-08-29T17:34:36.641-04:002020-08-29T17:34:36.641-04:00Here's a recent (2020) anecdote about this. It...Here's a recent (2020) anecdote about this. It's not really an orgasm. I suspect this is typical of these "I had an orgasm just from touching my xxx (knee, eyebrow, big toe, etc.)." Women like to brag about having orgasms from not the clit -- as if it's sexier to come from somewhere not even come-able, something "ordinary" women can't do.<br /><br />https://medium.com/love-emma/how-to-give-a-nipple-orgasm-c710b2fd61cbAna Tomyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03802811740425421884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2427849323464039196.post-36545055042069173482020-08-29T17:18:45.403-04:002020-08-29T17:18:45.403-04:00There is no such thing as vaginal "stimulatio...There is no such thing as vaginal "stimulation," because there are no nerve endings in the vagina to receive "stimuli." No, friction inside the vagina CAN NOT stimulate the clitoris; the part of the clitoris that has the 8,000 nerve endings that can receive stimuli and trigger orgasm is the glans, the tiny nub on the vulva. There is no "clitoral complex." The clitoris has short legs (crura) that extend back to anchor it to the pelvic bones for stability, but there are NO nerve endings in those legs, so no "stimulation" is possible. The crura (there's no clitoral "root" like a tooth) do not wrap around the vaginal canal; their proximity to the vaginal canal has nothing to do with orgasm. The PC muscles (Kegels) have nothing to do with triggering orgasm. You've read a bunch of junk-science-fueled junk-pop-writing, and ended up with a scramble of erroneous theories. Read more of this website to learn the true facts.Ana Tomyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03802811740425421884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2427849323464039196.post-11304173389678053212013-09-13T00:33:26.272-04:002013-09-13T00:33:26.272-04:00Thanks for writing, Bex. I always love when you co...Thanks for writing, Bex. I always love when you comment. I so appreciate your thoughtfulness and honesty. Now, maybe we should start working on a better vocabulary for the other non-orgasmic pleasure that people can enjoy during sexual encounters- that could be fun :)Trishahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08846980215552421591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2427849323464039196.post-73640548597914307712013-09-09T15:13:36.003-04:002013-09-09T15:13:36.003-04:00So since it's been a while since this comment ...So since it's been a while since this comment chain and I've had some new revelations since then, I thought I would update. For the record, I am now sure that while I consider my vaginal, nipple, and non-touch stimulated climaxes to have been enjoyable, I no longer believe them to have been orgasms by the clinical definition set out here.<br /><br />Just wanted to clarify my position here, since I send this link to people often, and once again thank you for helping me to better articulate my sexual experiences.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09099605680291827813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2427849323464039196.post-42090347803834563442013-01-24T12:07:28.543-05:002013-01-24T12:07:28.543-05:00Thanks for the link. I have to go to the library t...Thanks for the link. I have to go to the library to get access to the full article (cause I don't want to pay the $37). I'm interested to see what kind of studies and evidence they are working from. I did notice one of the writers was Beverly Whipple, who is one of the original authors of The G-Spot and Other Discoveries About Female Sexuality - the 1982 book that introduced the G-Spot to the public. She seems to be associated with just about anything that defends a "vaginal" or "uterine" orgasm - I get the feeling it might be her life's goal to have us all buy into it. I haven't read everything she's been associated with, but as of yet I haven't really seen anything more interesting or convincing from her than what was put into that original book. I do know there is some interesting work done with people who have severe spinal injuries and orgasm, and there is evidence of the weak orgasms associated with nipple stimulation from M&J, so I'm definitely going to check this article out. Thanks again!Trishahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08846980215552421591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2427849323464039196.post-6374881664369035862013-01-24T09:08:21.194-05:002013-01-24T09:08:21.194-05:00I stumbled upon this link in another discussion ab...I stumbled upon this link in another discussion about "nipple orgasms" and wondered if you've seen it? What you think it suggests?<br /><br />http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14681994.2011.649252Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09099605680291827813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2427849323464039196.post-90315333007601718012012-12-02T21:14:09.043-05:002012-12-02T21:14:09.043-05:00Awesome! I'd love to get an email with your th...Awesome! I'd love to get an email with your thoughts. <br /><br />I think you are right about "weak" vs. "strong" orgasms. I use it as it is measured in Masters and Johnson's studies referring to the amount of muscle contractions during the orgasm (which they say matched the subjective responses from the women having them). However, there are so many factors besides the amount of muscle contractions that go into how "good" or "satisfying" a woman found her orgasm to be. <br /><br />I guess I'd say the objectively measured "strength" of the orgasms is useful in my discussions because it allows a kind of tangible way to speak about how very indirect ways of gaining clitoral stimulation seem to cause physically weaker orgasms than more direct forms of clitoral stimulation. Again, I totally agree with you that this type of measuring may not mean much to an individual woman, and it doesn't even mean that every orgasm from more direct stimulation is somehow better than every orgasm from more indirect stimulation. I think it just helps to ground the discussion about female orgasm more in the physical - which although is not the whole story, it is a way of understanding female orgasm that is too often overlooked. <br /><br />I enjoy this discussion too, thanks for engaging!Trishahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08846980215552421591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2427849323464039196.post-3023043418039554812012-11-17T14:07:54.526-05:002012-11-17T14:07:54.526-05:00Definitely not a crazy question! I'll have a t...Definitely not a crazy question! I'll have a think on it and email you something.<br /><br />I was also pondering on the question of "weak" versus "strong" orgasms. These words obviously measure specific things - brainwaves, muscle contractions, etc. But we also ascribe value judgement to them, I think. Is a strong orgasm better than a weak one? I'm not sure that's always true for me. A strong orgasm might leave me feeling wiped out (which would be good if I want to fall asleep) whereas a weak orgasm might leave me feeling jazzed up and full of sexual energy, which is great if I still have hours of erotica writing ahead of me.<br /><br />I am really enjoying this conversation and your writing. You definitely have me thinking deeply about my own orgasms and writing orgasmic experiences from many different perspectives. I am so excited for the film!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09099605680291827813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2427849323464039196.post-64734071986324760202012-11-01T12:58:04.978-04:002012-11-01T12:58:04.978-04:00You know I love it, girl!...and I thought your pos...You know I love it, girl!...and I thought your post, with its sly, activist flair, was fantastic.<br /><br />Go Jill. <br />Trishahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08846980215552421591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2427849323464039196.post-37978303041009405492012-11-01T11:15:17.162-04:002012-11-01T11:15:17.162-04:00We would all know so much more if we had our own p...We would all know so much more if we had our own personal lab equipment wouldn't we?! ;)<br />I'm curious, I know it's hard to remember everything, but what specific kinds of physical stimulation is it that brings on your orgasms that accompany vaginal stimulation? If you are up for it, I'd be really interested to hear some specifics; as if you were using your own experience to give a specific lesson to someone else trying to have the same experience. I hope that's not too crazy of a question, I'm just intensely curious about this stuff. I'm particularly interested in the specific physical movements that got you there and specifically what you physically felt happening in your body. You can email me too if you'd rather - trisha at ancmovies dott com.<br /><br />Thanks again for your thoughts! Trishahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08846980215552421591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2427849323464039196.post-9095834801872866092012-10-28T20:59:22.133-04:002012-10-28T20:59:22.133-04:00I'm not sure if I find it "easier" t...I'm not sure if I find it "easier" to orgasm from vaginal stimulation than direct clitoral stimulation (I mean, when I'm by myself, my clit is easier to reach, but I'm sure that isn't what you mean, heh) but I definitely find an orgasm that accompanies vaginal stimulation to be more enjoyable and more intense, longer lasting and more likely to result in multiple orgasms - direct clitoral stimulation almost always results in a terminal orgasm for me... the type that I only really enjoy if I'm trying to get to sleep.<br /><br />Oh, to have my own MRI machine! ;)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09099605680291827813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2427849323464039196.post-10719500809276109262012-10-26T20:27:05.676-04:002012-10-26T20:27:05.676-04:00Hey, girl. I quoted you rather heavily re: our di...Hey, girl. I quoted you rather heavily re: our discussion on orgasm over at reddit on my blog. <br />http://www.inbedwithmarriedwomen.com/2012/10/title-this-post-contest.html<br /><br />I linked to you and spoke highly of you. but if you're not down with that please let know!<br /><br />thanks for what you're doing.<br /><br />jillJill Hamiltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14989469118118455602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2427849323464039196.post-27103893872890092132012-10-25T22:29:53.690-04:002012-10-25T22:29:53.690-04:00Hey, thanks for commenting! I can't tell you h...Hey, thanks for commenting! I can't tell you how much I love engagement from readers. You are absolutely right about the clitoral legs extending down on either side of the vagina. I have certainly heard that idea of intercourse causing orgasms through stimulation of the clitoral legs before, but no physiological evidence that this is the case. I have also not seen a study that links a physiologically substantiated orgasm with the distance between the legs of the clit to the vagina. I have also not seen any other studies besides the M&J study that recorded orgasm from intercourse alone. <br /><br />I'm open to the idea that the weak orgasms M&J recorded are due to a Rube-Goldberg situation of jostling the clitoral legs, that jostle the clitoral body, that jostle the clitoral glans. (instead of the Rube-Goldberg situation that M&J suggested in which the labia was pulled which pulled the clitoral hood which stimulated the clitoral glans). Both would be indirect stimulation of the clitoral glans, and could make sense that a weak orgasm could occur.<br />I also think it is important to mention that when it is said that the clitoris has as many nerve ending as the penis, it is not the whole clitoral structure that contains these nerve endings. It is the clitoral glans specifically. I honestly can't find anything that tells me exactly how many nerve ending are in the erectile clitoral legs (I'd love to hear from someone more knowledgeable), but I am confident it's not even slightly as nervy as the glans. So, even if the penis stimulates the un-nervy clitoral legs through the vaginal wall and additionally through the surrounding tissue, the resulting orgasm is unlikely to be as easy to get or as intense as direct clitoral stimulation. <br /><br />That's where I stand. I'd love to hear other thought.<br /><br />Trishahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08846980215552421591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2427849323464039196.post-542615498054481162012-10-24T18:03:55.405-04:002012-10-24T18:03:55.405-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09099605680291827813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2427849323464039196.post-76117929919121634812012-10-24T17:59:38.519-04:002012-10-24T17:59:38.519-04:00The idea that clitoral and vaginal stimulation are...The idea that clitoral and vaginal stimulation are two different things is the problem here. Friction inside the vagina CAN stimulate the clitoris. The clitoral complex is large and extends deep into the pelvic wall, wrapping around the vaginal canal. Whether or not you are able to orgasm from vaginal stimulation depends on how close your clitoral root comes to the vaginal canal, and how the PC muscles are able to stimulate the clitoral root through muscle contraction.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09099605680291827813noreply@blogger.com